tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post1073660995762042316..comments2024-03-24T11:22:15.548+00:00Comments on Lustig's Letter: Corbyn on antisemitism: more right than wrong?Robin Lustighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00578195216460807588noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-54014434409846294682018-08-01T19:34:56.585+00:002018-08-01T19:34:56.585+00:00The Jewish people Really need to get behind Jeremy...The Jewish people Really need to get behind Jeremy Corbyn. This Zionist operation will back fire! Every Palestinian murdered,Israeli crime will be blamed on the Jewish people.The general public know little nor care about Zionism. Most equate; Zionism = Jewish. The Jewish people will pay the price of the Zionists and Israel hubris. This is part of the strategy, the more anti Semitism that can be stirred up the better for Zionists, whether that is perceived or actual anti Semitism. is a win win an acceptable loss. If Jeremy Corbyn falls we will all fall, In my humble opinion. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708749499666612752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-32324768473973935622018-08-01T02:27:36.310+00:002018-08-01T02:27:36.310+00:00Except that Zionism is NOT just the desire for a J...Except that Zionism is NOT just the desire for a Jewish homeland. It is a political project whose aim was to establish that homeland at the expense of another people by striking up an alliance with one or other imperialist powers, Britain as it happened. Zionism drew its inspiration from the racial nationalist movements of the late 19th and early 20th century. Herzl got on famously with Edouard Drumont, the chief anti-Dreyfussard and then with von Plehve. A whole raft of German Zionists took on the colour of the volkish nationalists and this ideology infused the Zionist experiment. From the start Zionism, with its Jewish labour and land, was a racist movement.<br /><br />It is simply not true that Zionism was and is Jewish selfdetermination. When did ZIOnists first describe themselves as such? They used to openly call themselves colonists. They've borrowed the zeitgeist of the moment. Yes it is antisemitic to blame Jews for what Israel does but if Israel calls itself the nation state of all Jews, not even its own Jewish citizens, then it is as reasonable to blame Jews as it is to blame British people for the occupation of Ireland. In any case the idea that Jews form one nation is an antisemitic one.<br /><br />I agree with much of your article and believe Corbyn should have fought back against this false and defamatory narrative of antisemitism. We are seeing a massive campaign which is state backed.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535403746278095439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-20211091122521071072018-07-28T23:47:11.538+00:002018-07-28T23:47:11.538+00:00As a British Jew I am very afraid now. Not of Corb...As a British Jew I am very afraid now. Not of Corbyn who may be hapless, but is, I believe honourable in his anti racism. No I am afraid that this controversy cooked up by Corbyn opponents will back fire on the Jewish community who will be blamed for unseating a democratically elected opposition leader. The historical falsehood of Jews unduly influencing political life will be repeated and thrown back at Jews for decades. We have a failing gvt. and we need the official opposition party more than ever. Whether you like the current leadership or not it is better that it is as robust as possible than destroyed by false allegations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-27412129763871839722018-07-28T16:56:04.671+00:002018-07-28T16:56:04.671+00:00A good and interesting letter. (I am a Jewish Labo...A good and interesting letter. (I am a Jewish Labour party member who supports Corbyn but does not think he does everything right all the time)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01895048944700812692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-69678062245090459442018-07-28T10:01:35.003+00:002018-07-28T10:01:35.003+00:00Very good, Robin.
Surely nobody could argue with ...Very good, Robin.<br /><br />Surely nobody could argue with the idea that ‘the Jewish people have the same right to self-determination as other people’.<br /><br />And yet, it seems to me that this egalitarian statement hides something darker.<br /><br />What other ‘people’ might we be talking about and what kind of ‘self-determination’ might they have a right to? <br /><br />My father’s family fought for Irish self-determination but that ran into the issue of who we mean by ‘Irish’ and what kind of ‘self determination’ Ulster Protestants would have.<br /><br />If we applied the same thinking to the British People, what would that mean? Which British People? If Jews qualify for self-determination by their ethnicity, would we say the same about white Brits? Isn’t that the kind of self-determination that Tommy Robinson wants?<br /><br />It seems to me that there are dark depths to that innocent word ‘people’ and Israel has built them into its very constitution.<br /><br />FrancisFrancis Haydennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-84576811525513511342018-07-28T09:03:47.142+00:002018-07-28T09:03:47.142+00:00As far as I recall there was no antipathy towards ...As far as I recall there was no antipathy towards Israel in the fifties on the left - including the CP - on the contrary, in fact. I recall local film shows of trips to kibbutzim. Antipathy did not emerge until much later.Gerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11595810909766692172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-30364859023892023512018-07-27T12:28:52.396+00:002018-07-27T12:28:52.396+00:00Dear Robin, While I agree that the editors are ind...Dear Robin, While I agree that the editors are indulging in hysterical hyperbole and moral blackmail -- as is mostly the case in discussions of Israel and antisemitism -- I cannot agree with your assertion that the creation of the Israeli State "may have been a mistake". Given the self contradictions of British policy in 1916-17 -- plus the the cynical wording of the Balfour Declaration -- and given Auschwitz -- I don't see how the creation of the state was either avoidable or wrong. The Zionists were going to take Palestine at any cost -- even at the price of committing original sin. The Jews deserved it. The rest of course is tragedy. Yours Peter Foges, (former Sussex, former BBC, now Brooklyn. Peter Fogesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942478546968158905.post-40711018281135460172018-07-27T12:23:40.106+00:002018-07-27T12:23:40.106+00:00Thank you Mr Lustig. Well reasoned and logical. ...Thank you Mr Lustig. Well reasoned and logical. The current government in Jerusalem's version of 'Zionism' makes this veteran of a Zionist youth group (Habonim Dror) feel distinctly anti-zionist, but never (as you say) anti-semitic. I think part of the problem is the diaspora's traditional knee-jerk defence of Israel right (or ultra right) or wrong. Heightened anti-semitic attack figures don't help either.<br />However, I still wonder if there is something to it if someone of the pedigree of Margaret Hodge says it.Fynemor in limbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17702655749905883480noreply@blogger.com